Talk:Saint Patrick's Day/Archive 1
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This article could use some cleaning up...that last paragraph in 'Celebrations outside of Ireland' doesn't make sense to me (it's probably just me, but if it was cleaned up a bit it would be more clear). I like this article and I don't think any information should be removed, but I just don't think it is 'up to par' with an article on St. Patrick's Day that you would read in a print encyclopedia. If someone wants to try to reorganize it to sound more encyclopedic, I'll help...Jporcaro 20:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
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Could someone link to the correct Savannah, please? I don't know which one is right. 80.185.251.37 14:26, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Was someone drinking when they made this entry...Celebrations "ourside" Ireland. Fixed it.
- Ahem :D Aidan
for reference -- Fowler says St without the full stop. -- Tarquin 20:22 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
Then Fowler is wrong. St. Patrick is NEVER EVER EVER written as 'St', ALWAYS as 'St.'. According to every list of saint (and I have three different sources open here on the screen and a fourth on the desk) saints names are written, according to the lists:
- St. Benedict NEVER St Benedict
- St. Augustine of Hippo NEVER St Augustine of Hippo
- St. Francis NEVER St Francis
- St. Jerome NEVER St Jerome
- St. Valentine NEVER St Valentine
- St. Francis of Assisi NEVER St Francis of Assisi
- St. Anselm NEVER St Alselm
There is the Rule of St. Benedict, not the Rule of St Benedict.
The American calendar of Catholic saints says tomorrow is the feast day of St. Porphyry of Gaza. The 27th is the feast day of St. Gabriel of Our Lady of Sorrows. The 3rd of February was the feast day of St. Blase.
Furthermore, when one puts St John (minus the .) into google, one gets St. John Chrysostom, St. John of the Cross, St. John the Baptist, St. John the Evangelist, Pope St. John I, etc. (I checked 36 pages and not a single entry was 'St'. Every single one was 'St.'
The only place you find St minus the period is in some American schools' names.
In all the documents I have read mentioning Patrick, I have never ever ever come across him described as St Patrick. Wait there was one - an American student's essay in my class when I was studying history. The lecturer told her to 'drop her americanisms and learn to spell.' One of them was writing 'St' for 'St.' JTD 21:16 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
- Actually, it's the other way around: "St" is the correct spelling in British English, while "St." is - or at least started out as - an americanism. In any case, the Wikipedia standard appears to be "St" (see e.g. saint). While I personally have no preference either way, whichever variant we choose should be applied consistently throughout Wikipedia. Mkweise 22:26 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
Actually
- 'St.' has been used for millenia before America was ever invented, so it is anything but an americanism.
- It is used by the major Christian faiths.
- St. Patrick has been written like that for over one thousand years without exception.
- If it was the correct version in British-English, then the Roman Catholic Church, the Church of England, the Church of Ireland and all the religious faiths that refer to saints are all wrong, which is highly unlikely. If anyone is likely to know what the correct version of how to refer to a saint is, it is the churches who 'make' saints! Oh, according to websites, England as a St. Thomas More, not a St Thomas More.
So clearly the correct version is incorrect. If Wikipedia refers to saints as 'St' it will have to change it, or is it seriously proposed that we ignore the collective views of all the major christian religions, because Fowlers dictionary thinks otherwise? JTD 22:35 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
JTD, Fowler's Modern English Usage is not wrong. It is the acknowledged authority on English usage. Writers, editors, and publishers use it as a guide. -- Tarquin 22:41 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
Not when it comes to referring to saints, it isn't.
- The Irish Times uses 'St.'
- The Irish Independent uses 'St.'
- The Times (London) regularly uses 'St.'
- My own publishers and their editors use 'St.', changing 'St' on the rare occasions they find it to 'St.'
- 'St.' is the version which must be used in academic texts and theses by students in all Irish universities.
Fowler's is a superb source, but there are errors where those putting together the text made mistakes or false presumptions. These have occasionally nicknamed 'Fowler's howlers'. (Some years ago, when I started doing some freelance writing for an Irish newspaper, I was given a list of 'Fowler's Howlers' by the editorial department. Someone wrote in pen on it - when Fowlers is good it is VERY VERY GOOD, when it is bad it is horrid' based on an old nursery rhyme.) JTD 23:12 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
Saint Patrick's Day is celebrated in Beijing?? Wondering simply, -- Infrogmation 06:22 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)
Why is there so much about St. Patrick's life here, when this article should really be discussing the holiday, and a separate article should discuss his life? -- Zoe
Could anyone clear up the issue of the longest running Parade in the world? Most sources indicate the honour should go to Montreal's Parade , , , yet New York's claims to have run every year since 1762, if true far longer than Montreal's. One source claims Savannah, Georgia hold the title, but the date they give for the first parade is the same as in Montreal - 1824.
I pulled the dying the rivers green (how would this be done anyway) in favor of painting the traffic stripes green, which is done. Wetman 01:53, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Food coloring. Chicago's been dying the Chicago River green since 1962. - Nunh-huh 02:01, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Yikes! Put it back! Wetman 02:02, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Actually,40 lbs of food coloring: . The pictures are great, they'd be a nice addition if they could be found copyright free. A lovelier Kelly green river you'd not want to see<G>. Nunh-huh 02:01, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)